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| Questionnaire | CHAPTER V - CANAL COMPANY INTERVIEWS
“Life is no brief candle
for me. It is a sort of splendid torch
which I have got hold of for the moment,
and I want to make it burn as brightly
as possible before handing it on to
future generations.”
This chapter reports the attitudes
and concerns of canal company officials
regarding public access and use of
their rights-of-way.
The source of information is
six survey interviews conducted with
canal company officials in northern
Utah.
The interviews were conducted
in an open-ended format, enabling
the officials to thoroughly express
their concerns.
The purpose of the open-ended
interviews was to obtain as naturalistic
a response as possible.
The goal was to gauge general
sentiments and to determine the major
concerns and issues revolving around
the development of recreational canal
trails. The opinions expressed
by each of these individuals does
not necessarily reflect the official
canal company policies. It
is not the intent of this paper to
address the ultimate validity of each
individuals concerns but rather to
attempt to gain insight into attitudes
on a number of issues..
INTERVIEW SURVEYS There
are a number of advantages to having
a questionnaire administered by an
interviewer as opposed to the respondent
filling out a questionnaire.
First of all, the response
rates attained in interview surveys
are much higher than in mail surveys.
Completion rates are usually
at least eighty to eighty five percent (Babbie,
1992). Respondents are more reluctant
to say no to someone who is asking
to sit down with them for a few minutes
than they are to toss a mail questionnaire
into the trash. Because
the interviewer can probe for answers
the respondents are less likely to
say “don’t know”
or “no answer”.
Interviewers can also help
clarify questions that may be misinterpreted
or misunderstood, thereby obtaining
relevant responses.
Most importantly though, the
interviewer can observe the reactions
to certain questions and ask additional
questions in order to help the respondent
clarify their reaction, giving the
survey an additional level of validity
and depth. Although
there are a number of advantages to
using the interview survey, there
are a number of procedures that must
be followed to obtain successful results. The interviewer’s
presence should not affect the respondent’s
perception of a question or the answer
that is given. He or she should
be a neutral medium through which
the questions and answers are transmitted.
Under no circumstances should
the interviewer communicate through
word or gesture a bias concerning
the topic of the interview.
The appearance and demeanor
should be that of the people being
interviewed.
The interviewer should have
a confident familiarity with the questionnaire: Questions should
be read exactly and precisely
(Babbie, 1992).
INTERVIEW DEVELOPMENT AND METHODOLOGY
The canal company data contained
in this chapter was collected through
the use of interview surveys.
The survey instrument is composed
of seven sections including a preliminary
information section (data collected
before the interview) and 39 questions. The
average length of each interview was
approximately one hour long and was
tape recorded for later use of transcribing
the information. (See Appendix
B for
transcripts). Given the
length of the interview an attempt
was made to keep the respondent’s
burden to a minimum.
Questions 20-23 were taken
from a feasibility study conducted
by the Grand Junction Urban Trails
Committee
(The Grand Junction Urban Trails
Committee, 1996).
Survey
Pre-Test
Prior
to setting up the interviews, a survey
pre-test was conducted on two individuals. After
completing the questionnaire, the
participants were interviewed to weed
out problems with the overall layout,
bias or ambiguity in the questions
themselves or how they were asked,
(confusing questions, repeated questions,
etc). It was also noted
how much time it took to complete
the interview.
As a result of the pre-survey
several questions were either removed
or modified.
Interview
Population
The
interview population consisted of
six individuals in high ranking positions
within canal companies who are either
dealing with or have dealt with issues
of public use of their canal corridors.
All six individuals represent
irrigation canals which divert from
some of the major systems along the
Wasatch Front.
The goal was to interview canal
officials who are in the midst of
negotiations to develop a public recreational
canal trail on their canal corridor. The
individuals were eventually found
through word of mouth and referrals
after extensive phone conversations
with key individuals.
Setting
up the Interview
Setting
up the interview with these individuals
was not difficult.
The reason for the 100% response
rate was due to the fact that they
were very receptive to the idea of
discussing a topic that is in the
forefront of their minds.
Because the issue of opening
their canals to public use is of concern
to them and to the company as a whole,
some strong opinions were voiced.
Preliminary
information was obtained before the
interview.
This information included name,
title and technical information about
the canal. Two
of the six participants asked for
the questionnaire in advance of the
interview and were granted it. In
retrospect, given the higher levels
of enthusiasm and preparedness of
these two participants, it would have
been beneficial to send the questionnaire
to all of the participants in advance.
The reasoning behind not doing
it was to keep the respondent burden
to a minimum, especially with the
length of the interview.
PRELIMINARY INFORMATION Listed
here are the six individuals who were
interviewed.
For more detailed information
about the respective canals see Appendix
B.
·
Name:
Terel Grimley Title/ Titles:
President of Utah Water Users
Association
President of North Ogden Irrigation
Company General Manager of Pineview Water Systems (Ogden R. W. U. A., South Ogden Cons. Dist., and Weber/ Box Elder Cons. Dist.) Administers to what canals?Ogden-Brigham
Canal South
Ogden Highline Canal
North
Ogden Irrigation Canal. Which of these are being considered for trail development by others?Ogden-Brigham
Canal, South Ogden Highline Canal
and North Ogden Irrigation Canal.
·
Name:
Floyd Baham
Title/ Titles: General Manager of Davis-Weber Counties Canal Company Administers to what canals?Manages
the Davis and Weber Counties Canal
Company Which of these are being considered for trail development by others?A
section through Clearfield and Layton
which is about 6 miles long.
·
Name:
Ed Vidmare
Title/ Titles: Chief facilities management group (Chief of O and M), Bureau of Reclamation Administers to what canals?Thirty
Five Canals Throughout the State of
Utah. Which of these are being considered for trail development by others?Provo
Reservoir Canal (Murdock Canal)
Provo River Ogden-
Brigham Canal (Highline) Ogden
River Steinaker
Service Canal Vernal Uintah
County (Existing
Trail)
·
Name:
Jonathan
Clegg
Title/ Titles: Assistant superintendent of Provo River Water Users Assoc. (PRWUA) Administers to what canals?Weber-Provo
Diversion Canal (Conveyance from Weber
to Provo R.) Provo
Reservoir Canal (Murdock Canal) Which of these are being considered for trail development by others?Murdock
Canal
·
Name: Peter Kung
Title/ Titles: President of Crockett Avenue Distribution System Secretary Treasure of Logan River Water Users Association
On
board of directors for Logan N.W.
Field Canal Administers
to what canals?
All
seventeen canals in the Logan River
Water Users Association, 10 of which
are members of Crockett Avenue. Logan
N.W. Field Irrigation Company. Which of these are being considered for trail development by others?Logan,
Hyde Park and Smithfield Canal Logan
Northern Canal has been proposed
·
Name: Jess Harris
Title/ Titles: President of Logan Northern Irrigation Company Administers
to what canals?
Logan
And Northern Irrigation Canal Which of these are being considered for trail development by others?Logan
And Northern Irrigation Canal
The following is a summary
of the six respondents answers and
is broken down by each question.
The questions are bolded as
they appear on the actual questionnaire.
In some cases these are followed
directly by small text that was used
in the interviews to help the interviewer
offer more focused questions above
and beyond the main question.. These
are followed by brief summaries of
the six respondents answers and then
by quotes which were selected based
on their ability to summarize the
most prevalent attitudes of the group
as a whole.
When various points were made
in response to a questions, they are
broken out into separate summaries
followed by selected quotes.
Current
Use By The Public
1-
Do
you know if any canals are currently
being used for recreation? If so,
what are the existing uses you know
of? The responses to this question ranged from no use at all to a couple of developed canal trails that are being use extensively by the public. These two trails are the South Ogden Highline Canal, which runs through the Ogden City Golf Course and is piped and covered, and the Steinaker Service Canal in Vernal City which is open. In terms of existing informal uses of their canals, there are numerous uses that range from active to passive recreation.
·
Covers
a broad range of the spectrum.
A lot of walkers, a lot of
joggers, people with dogs, horseback,
tubing, kayaking, fishing, motorized
vehicles, four wheelers, motorcycles.
· Yes they are all used. All seventeen….Swimming, fishing, tubing…you name it. Everyone overlooks that it is a swamp cooler. These canals act like one...so, people sit and dangle their feet in the water.
There are also varying levels of tolerance between the respondents regarding informal use of the canals. The following quotes give an idea of the range of general attitudes.
·
The
Ogden Brigham canal is basically an
informal use but there are a lot of
people who use it to walk and jog
on. There are some areas that children
walk along the maintenance road going
to and from school and parks but its
an informal use in undeveloped areas.
·
There
is no such thing as informal use.
They either use or they don’t
and if they use it, its illegal.
·
I
would suspect that any canal with
a maintenance road is used for recreation. Our canals are
definitely used for recreation and
all of it is unauthorized.
·
There
is a lot of walking and hiking and
that sort of thing.
And we haven’t discouraged
it.
2-
Do
you allow public use/ access? If not,
what signing and notice efforts do
you have in place to warn recreation
users not to use the canal banks?
All of the respondents stated that technically they do not allow public access although, since the public “informally” uses it anyway, they mitigate through the use of signing and education. Here again, the range of policies and attitudes toward informal use are illustrated.
·
We
don’t allow any public access
on the canal and we have put up no
trespassing signs along the canal.
That doesn’t mean everybody
obeys that but that’s what we’ve
got there.
·
We
obviously do not and we try to keep
every possible point of public access
posted.
·
We
do. We
don’t encourage it though. Wherever
we think its dangerous we have a sign
that says: be careful, danger.
And that is to cover us.
The biggest fear we have is
people messing with the water works. So, we put signs
up saying: messing with the works
or turning it on or off unauthorized
is against the law and we quote the
law and those are on all the head
gates through town.
·
We
as a board have just left it open.
If they hike we don’t
have any objection to that.
We have signs that say enter
at your own risk for our own protection.
3-
How
aggressively are these efforts enforced?
The enforcement efforts ranged from issuing trespass tickets to anyone found on the canal to completely fencing off potential entry-ways to posting caution signage. For the most part trespassers are encountered by the ditch riders performing routine maintenance. There is no patrolling of the canal by the local law enforcement, but the ditch rider takes on the added burden of educating the public and notifying local authorities of trespassers. Usually this only occurs when the trespasser has gotten out of hand or is unruly.
·
If
we catch anybody on there we’ll
run them off.
If we catch anybody on there
more than once we will call the police. They could be issued
citations….We have put gates
up along the canal where it comes
off the road, but we have done that
for our own benefit to keep people
from traveling along the canal with
a vehicle.
·
We
mainly try to educate the people that
they are trespassing, that it is government
property. Mainly
through education in order to maintain
the legal liability you have to issue
a few trespass tickets now and then.
·
We
will quite often tell people who are
out there on the canal that we have
got a job to do and its not to keep
people off the canal, its maintenance
and operation and so we struggle with
that.
·
During
the irrigation season we have a water
master that goes through and will
talk to children about being careful,
not being on the spillway, not pulling
diversion boards. The
other thing we do is we lock things
in place.
We lock canals open or lock
them closed just to keep out tampering.
So, we are into enforcement.
If you listen to us and pay
attention to the signs and listen
to verbal instructions, fine. If
you start fighting back then we will
bust them.
4-
Do
you have any concerns regarding these
existing uses? A majority of the respondents expressed concerns regarding the potential for a lawsuit against their company and for the health safety and welfare of the public. This is a theme that runs throughout the interview. While there is a definite fear of litigation there is also a genuine concern for the safety of anyone using the canal (legally or not) and for the general misunderstanding of the potentially serious dangers associated with the use of open canals for recreational purposes, especially in lined canals with fast moving water. There was also a concern of the effect on the quality of the water and on operation and maintenance.
·
Well
we just feel that any kind of recreational
use along one of our canals, as long
as its an open canal is just incompatible
with what we are doing.
The three main concerns we
have identified are liability, safety
of the public, water quality and impact
to our operation and maintenance procedures.
·
No,
if they are in reason. If they don’t
tamper with or erode the banks or
throw garbage in, no I have no problem
with it.
Liability And Injury
5-
To
the best of your knowledge, have there
ever been any liability or injury
claims lodged against your canal company
or other entities or individuals associated
with the canal? If
so, what? Aside
from the Bureau of Reclamation (BOR)
which is protected by the Federal
Governmental Immunity Act, not one
of the respondents was aware of ever
having to pay liability or injury
claims.
The cases that did come up
were dismissed and settled out of
court.
·
Yes, We
did have one in Pleasentview in our
Ogden- Brigham Canal and it was two
17 and 18 year old boys that were
tubing down our canal down a drop
chute… one of them flipped
over and hit his head and he did drown.
There was a lawsuit and the
lawsuit was dismissed because he was
trespassing.
6-
What
existing risk management do you have
in place? Aside from the B.O.R. all the respondents stated that they carry insurance. They also do a lot of signing and gating at access roads, placement of warning signs at dangerous locations and installing public safety devices which involves among other things, covering or screening dangerous structures such as drop chutes. Educating the general public of the dangers associated with canals is another risk management strategy..
·
We
do the signing. Signing
is hard because signs are shot or
removed just about as fast as we can
put them up. Theres the education,
there is the minimal enforcement if
you will…in specific identified
areas we will install public safety
devices because you know they are
going to get there just do the best
you can to try to keep them out of
the really harmful places.
·
Obviously
we have insurance and we do our best…
to keep people off of the canal. We are contemplating
doing some better education of the
local community and citizens about
the reasons why we want people off
the canal. Sometimes
people stop and we explain to them
and you can see the light go on and
hopefully they will be a lot more
cooperative in the future.
7-
How
do you feel about piping or covering
canals as a solution to liability
or to increase efficiency of water
conveyance?
Have such discussions taken
place concerning the canal your company
administers too? All
the respondents expressed a high degree
of interest in piping their canals. The
only things holding them back is the
availability/ securing of funding
and the man power to take on such
an expensive and time consuming project.
·
Yes,
we’ve done a lot of piping when
money is available or we were able
to get either state or federal money,
low interest loans.
·
…we
had a study done a few years ago about
piping the entire canal and they figured
it would cost about ten million dollars.
We would love to be able to
pipe the canal, but financially as
a company we can’t do it.
·
Every
one is in favor of it, the biggest
obstacle is cost.
Its an expensive proposition.
For our twenty three miles
of Provo river canal it would be roughly
about 70-80 million dollars.
· The other problem with piping is access, we would have to put in new head gates, new arrangements for cleaning it out. Its cost prohibitive. In terms of funding opportunities, a couple of respondents pointed out some opportunities. They ranged from utilizing state and federal monies to sharing the cost with utility companies (gas, power, AT&T, etc.) who may be interested in utilizing the corridor to improve and enhance their system of delivery. · They have the means to create the funding. They can create an assessment. There is a bunch of things they can do, the state’s got money, Central Utah’s got a lot of money through our conservation incentive programs. So, the money is out there its just a matter of locating it. According to half of the respondents, water quality, water conservation, ease of maintenance, and improved conveyance are just as much if not more of a reason for this interest in piping than liability is.
·
I
can’t say It’s not for
liability, but that’s
a secondary benefit we get
from piping the canal is that it will
open up the corridor for recreational
use.
The main issue is to increase
water quality and also to increase
conveyance capacity.
·
Yes
we are very anxious to pipe our canal,
not to accommodate a trail, that could
be an outcome but our main focus would
be addressing the other issues. The reduction of
liability, water quality issues and
there are some advantages to saving
water that occurs.
·
And if we put that trail in
there, and it was covered up, other
than us going in for maintenance they
[the city] can have the whole canal
as far as I’m concerned. I’d
just give it to them. There
were also responses that pointed to
the social and environmental reasons
for keeping the canals open.
·
The
other canals…and a lot of the
smaller ones are dirt lined canals
are very slow moving and they add
a lot to the atmosphere of the neighborhoods.
·
Yes
we have…the water resource
people in the state… say a
substantial proportion of water leaks
through the bottom of our canal and
recharges the aquifer in the center
of the valley. The other thing is
we are worried about losing the tree
cover. At
first they thought the trees were
essentially suckers taking on water,
now they realize that the evapotranspiration
probably lowers the temperature in
town by so many degrees and provides
refuge for wildlife.
So we don’t want to lose
the associated riparian benefits.
8-
Are
you aware of a city’s or county’s
ability to shield canal companies
from liability by way of indemnification
or inclusion under their respective
insurance?
A
typical maintenance agreement entered
into would state that: The city
or agency “ holds harmless company
from any and all liability arising
out of the construction, maintenance
and operation of such landscaping,
walkways and parking facilities.”
The majority of the respondents
indicated an awareness of the ability
of their respective cities to indemnify
them.
One respondent indicated no
awareness of this, but mentioned having
thought of inclusion under the city’s
insurance in order to cut the premium
down.
There was a general feeling
of skepticism from each of the respondents,
not in terms of an indemnification
clause’s ability to shield liability,
but its inability to mitigate for
the inevitability of suit in general,
with the associated cost and
time commitments.
·
We
are aware of that but from a legal
standpoint you will literally never
be able to take them out of the picture.
You can write indemnification
clauses and all that kind of stuff
but when push comes to shove and somebody
gets a really good lawyer…they
are out the window. They
are going to come after the owner; they
are going to come after the operator.
·
I’ve
been told by some people from one
of the cities that they can do that
but I have remained skeptical.
One respondent mentioned that
Utah courts now hold that due to the
sizable burden of requiring irrigation
companies to mitigate for attractive
nuisance via expensive piping or other
efforts, they are released from liability. The
outcome of this is that the courts
now require fences to be installed
by developers that build along irrigation
canals in order to protect the residents.
According to this respondent,
if the access easements are used by
the city for recreation the irrigation
company is released from liability.
9-
Are
you aware of Utah’s recreational
use statutes? If so, how much do you
know about it?
The responses here were split in half in terms of having heard of this statute but the majority only had a superficial understanding of it.
·
The
city has talked about it with us,
but I’m no attorney so I don’t
know all the legal ramifications.
·
No,
I don’t know anything about
those.
I haven’t heard it called
that but I have heard about some of
those statutes.
(See
Chapter III and Appendix C for a description
of recreational use statutes)
10-
Do
you feel the liability risks associated
with recreational use of canals are
higher or lower or equal to the risks
associated with other recreational
facilities?
Four
of the respondents indicated that
they feel liability risks would be
higher due to the risk associated
with unsupervised children in denser
residential areas falling in and getting
pulled into a siphon or drowning in
the fast moving current of a larger,
concrete lined canal
·
I
think the liability risks are greater
along an open canal…You are
not getting out of a concrete lined
canal without a ladder structure you
are not coming out on your own
because its fairly swift, you have
low structures, bridges, culverts,
siphons..
The ______ canal
is a pretty good sized canal, 400
second feet.
·
I
would say they are higher on the canal.
On our canal there are some
hydraulic structures that are extremely
dangerous we have about four siphons.
And once you get in the current of
a siphon there is nothing you can
do it just sucks you right in.
Some areas of the ______ canal
are swift moving.
Two
of the respondents felt that the liability
risks would be equal, based on setting
and location.
·
In
a rural setting and it’s a trail
along a canal provided for horseback
riding, mountain biking, jogging,
things like that, I would think its
about the same because your having
more mature individuals use it rather
than smaller children accessing it.
· I would think the same.
11-
Do
you think some of your liability concerns
can be addressed given proper design,
construction and maintenance of a
trail along any of your canals? Which
concerns?
Half
of the responses indicated that yes,
some if not all of their concerns
can be addressed through proper design
and one respondent mentioned that
they can be handled through agreements
with the city.
·
Yes,
I think so. I
think a part of that would be an educational
part to educate people to proper conduct. I think that in
combination with the proper design
and construction and also the proper
attitude, yes…, and I see that
around Boulder, they have signs that
tell you what to do with your dog
and be considerate.
Two
of the respondents indicated that
none of their concerns could be addressed
unless the canal was piped.
·
I
would say no, the only thing that
is going to placate our concerns is
getting it in a pipe.
Legal Information Questions
12-17 directly pertain to the canal
sections that are being considered
for development. Therefore,
they are formatted differently than
the rest of the questions.
12-
To the best of your knowledge,
what is the existing adjacent land
use by percentage? Adjacent
lands were typically private residential
or agricultural properties which,
with one exception, granted easements
to the canal companies.
·
Ogden-Brigham
Canal
25-30%
Residential
70-75%
Agriculture
---
Business
·
North
Ogden Irrigation Canal
60-65% Residential 35-40%
Agricultural 2%
Business
·
Davis
and Weber Counties Canal Company 90-95 % Residential along
the section in question and 50-60
% along the whole length. 10-15% Agricultural along
the whole length 10-15% Business along the
whole length the rest is open space used
by Hill Airforce Base.
·
Provo
Reservoir Canal (Murdock) 50
% Residential 50
% Agricultural 5
% Business
·
Crockett
Avenue Distribution System
(Cache Valley)
60
% Residential 30
% Agricultural 10
% Business
·
Logan
And Northern Irrigation Canal 40 % Residential
60
% Agricultural
13-
What are the existing ownership
standings along the length of the
canal/ canals? In
terms of public vs. private.
·
Ogden-Brigham Canal
100%
Public
0%
Private
-Ogden-Brigham Canal, 100%
is owned by the United States of America.
The Ogden River Water Users
bought it and deeded it to the U.S.A.
as collateral for the project so it’s
in the name of the U.S.A.
·
North Ogden Irrigation Canal
0%
Public 100%
Private -The
North Ogden Canal is 100% easement
the irrigation company does not own
any of it. Its just an easement.
·
Davis
and Weber Counties Canal Company -100%
Privately owned by the company along
the length in question.
·
Provo Reservoir Canal (Murdock)
-5
% Public 95
% Private Most of the private ownership
is residential. · Crockett Avenue Distribution System (Cache Valley) -100 % Private On the upper canal the Logan,
Hyde Park and Smithfield Canal its
BLM and Forest Service ground on the
back side of that. But most of its
private.
The city has one side at a
park, it might be municipal but a
very small percentage.
·
Logan and Northern Irrigation
Canal -100 % Private
14-
Does
your company or WUA own land under
any portion of the canal/canals?
The
responses this question regarding
underlying ownership illustrates the
variety of scenarios encountered by
agencies interested in developing
canal trails. Three were owned
in fee title either by the U.S. of
America or the canal company themselves
and the
easements corresponded to these
types of ownership’s.
·
Ogden-Brigham Canal- Owned in fee title by the
U.S.A. (Bureau of Reclamation) and
the Water Users Association is operating
entity which is contractually obligated
to administer to and maintain the
canal.
The R.O.W ranges in width from
35-100 ft. in sections.
·
North Ogden Irrigation Canal- As
stated above the North Ogden Irrigation
Comany does not own any of the canal,
it is 100% easement.
·
Provo Reservoir Canal (Murdock)- Purchased
in fee title by the U.S.A. in 1940. The
R.O.W. is 100 ft. in width. -Most of our right-of-ways on both canals are fee title. There is some easement
·
Davis and Weber Counties Canal- -We own all of the land where
the canal presently sits and we have
bought some small parcels along the
canal where we felt like it was necessary
for us to.
·
Crockett Canal Companies- According
to the respondent the full length
of the canal was deeded to them and
they own the canal bed.
·
Logan Northern Canal- -One little spot its about
a 150 feet we pay taxes on. That’s
another reason we don’t want
to own is because we would have to
pay taxes on that.
I think that as stock holders
they would own the water and the canal.
15-
Does your company or WUA own
easements for any portion of the canal/
canals?
·
Ogden-Brigham Canal- Since the R.O.W. is owned
by the federal government there is
no easement necessary.
·
North Ogden Irrigation Canal- Since
the length of this canal is owned
by private property owners the canal
company owns an easement for maintaining
conveyance of water to the shareholders.
·
Provo Reservoir Canal (Murdock)- According
to the Chief of operations with the
B.O.R. this canal is 95-98% fee title
with the rest being reserved right-of-way
where the B.O.R. needed land to straighten
out the canal. The assistant superintendent
for the Provo River Water Users Assoc.
expanded on this: -There are some.
Some of them represent or originated
from land that was patented originally. They
are reserved right-of-way. When
the U.S. granted land to an individual
they retained or reserved certain
rights for canal rights-of-way and
some of our easements are based on
those original easements.
·
Davis and Weber Counties Canal- -There is no easement, we
have title to where the canal presently
sits.
·
Crockett Canal Companies- According
to the respondent there is an easement
along the canal and they also own
five-year prescriptive easements along
some laterals.
·
Logan Northern Canal- -We have an easement all the
way along that was established way
back in the 1800’s.
Its an easement for maintenance.
16-
Does
the respective city own land under
any portion of the canal/ canals?
Only a couple of the respondents mentioned sections that were owned by the city but were such a small percentage that it was not an issue. For example, there is a 700 ft. commercial strip the city owns along the Logan Northern Canal.
17-
Are you familiar with general
ownership standings along the canal/
canals. - How much of the canal corridor is owned in fee simple by adjacent landowners? (Own land and canal company has an easement.)
-
Have
adjacent landowners or the city adversely
possessed any
sections of the canal R.O.W.?
·
Ogden-Brigham Canal- Owned in fee title by the
U.S.A. (Bureau of Reclamation) and
the Water Users Association is operating
entity which is contractually obligated
to administer to and maintain the
canal. -North Ogden adjacent landowners
own 100%. -No one can adverse possess
or develop a prescriptive right against
the United States.
·
North Ogden Irrigation Canal- As
stated above the Water Users Association
does not own any of the canal, it
is 100% easement. -On the North Ogden it really
doesn’t matter to the irrigation
company(adverse possession) because
they just have an easement.
·
Provo Reservoir Canal (Murdock)- Purchased
in fee title by the U.S.A. in 1940.
-Because the title of our
facilities are held in the name of
the U.S. government no one can adverse
posses against a federal government.
So, we don’t have to worry about
adverse possession.
If I were too guess I would
say it is about 70-80% fee title,
owned by the government and the rest
is easement.
·
Davis and Weber Counties Canal-
Owned in fee title by the canal
company.
·
Crockett Canal Companies- According
to the respondent the full length
of the canal is owned by adjacent
property owners up to the edge of
and in some cases to a section of
land along the other side of the canal.
·
Logan Northern Canal-
The ownership standing along
the length of this canal is similar
to the Crocket Canal Companies.
18-
Please explain your relationship
with the BOR regarding ownership of
underlying land. As stated above the Logan Northern, Crocket and the North Ogden Canals are owned by adjacent landowners and the Davis Weber Counties Canal is owned in fee title by the canal company. Therefore, they have no relationship to the BOR. In
regards to the Ogden Brigham and the
Provo Reservoir Canal, they are owned
in title by the BOR and this relationship
between the operating agency (BOR)
and the operating entity (the respective
W.U.A)
is one in which the W.U.A requested
the construction of the project which
was funded and constructed by Federal
money through the Federal Reclamation
Act of 1902. A
contractual agreement is signed by
the respective W.U.A. in which they
are obligated with day to day operation,
maintenance and administration of
all the facilities and have to coordinate
and follow through on safety and construction
federal regulations. The BOR does
annual inspections of the facilities
in addition to the obligatory duties
of the respective W.U.A.
·
Regarding
the ownership…the Federal government
goes in and builds the facility and
then we sign a contract with the water
users association.
They will operate and maintain
it and over a period of time they
also pay back to the Federal government
the original construction costs. So,
its basically a zero interest loan
type of thing.
The interesting thing is that
when they have repaid the entire construction
amount it still remains in the name
of the United States. Within the state
laws they have to maintain themselves
as a non-profit organization or they
would be taxed. So,
their assessments while they are repaying
the cost of the facility might be
a little higher… it takes so
long to pay back…we have such
long contracts to repay that they
keep their assessment up because by
then the facility is run down.
They are collecting more money
to update it and rehabilitate it.
19-
Are there any existing encroachments
such as fencing or vegetation? If
so, how have you dealt with the problem?
The responses to this question were enthusiastic. It is clear that encroachment is a prevalent problem. The BOR has six full time people that deal with this problem alone, all the time, so one can imagine the magnitude of the problem especially for smaller canal companies who cannot afford to hire even one individual to deal with it full time. The crux of the problem has to do with adjacent homeowners unknowingly or knowingly building on the established easement thereby obstructing the canal company from access to the canal. These unauthorized encroachments mentioned in the interviews dealt with everything from vegetation to sheds and fences to house construction.
·
They
fence right up to the canal and some
own property on both sides so they
fence right across it. · …there is actually a house or two that has encroached on a small part of the R.O.W. With the rapid urbanization in areas traversed by canals, these problems will likely increase. One respondent claimed 50% encroachment along the length of the canal. Generally, the respondents answers indicate a fair amount of patience and fairness when dealing with encroachments and will only take a forceful approach (such as manually clearing the R.O.W. themselves, forcing the city to have the board of adjustments make them come into compliance or taking legal action such as filing cease-and-desist orders against them) after giving ample fair warning.
·
We
try to work with the property owner.
We actually pay for improvements
along the canal, we will buy the cement. If they put in
a retaining wall we will buy shrubs. We
want them to understand that they
have to come and ask us for permission
first.
I
was just out last night where someone
built within ten feet of the canal
bank, we cut a deal with them and
said if they put in a retaining wall
and don’t get any closer we
will allow it and if not we will put
a cease and disorder on it.
I don’t want to get into
law enforcement or zoning or code
enforcement so we go to the city.
They have been getting better
over the last year or so about involving
us in their process.
·
We
deal with it on a case by case basis
and you try to head it off before
it gets too far along. A
lot of times we don’t find out
about it until after the fact.
We have taken legal action
against some and others have pulled
back and others you try to go ahead
and license them by having an encroachment
agreement, license their activities
for whatever they are doing. Encroachment agreements or license agreements authorize someone interested in extending their property onto or building on or across the R.O.W. The homeowner is usually charged a one time fee for an engineering survey and license processing. While this usually entails municipal improvements, it has proven to work well with adjacent homeowners. In some cases where the homeowners have already encroached onto the R.O.W. they are allowed to keep the fences, trees, shrubs, etc. as long as maintenance activities are not interfered with. In addition to the initial fees they are also offered an annual lease which is on a sliding scale, based on the magnitude of the infringement.
·
We
have a process that we go through
when someone requests an encroachment
on the canal R.O.W. and we call it
a license agreement process.
There is a fee schedule involved
and an application.
We evaluate their requests
to see if its compatible with our
project purposes and if so we license
and permit to encroach.
According to Utah Statute , U.C.A. 1953, 73-1-15, It is “unlawful for any person...to place or maintain in place any obstruction…along or across or in such canal or watercourse…without first receiving written permission for the change”. A couple of the solutions the respondents offered included the following:
·
What
we are doing now is getting Logan
city to contact us whenever anybody
applies for a fence permit or building
permit if it has the word canal anywhere
near it, and we are willing to work
with them
·
By
state law [homeowners] cannot keep
the personnel from the irrigation
company out from maintaining and so
we do require that if they fence it
they have to put in access gates along
the canal for our operating personnel
to get through. We put one of our
locks on it and they can lock it if
they want a lock on it.
It has worked out well.
20-
Does your company or WUA have
the legal authority to provide (if
you wish to) the right for recreation
trail use for all parties or some
parties? Please explain. The Crockett Canals, Logan Northern Canal, North Ogden Irrigation Canal and 20-30% of the Provo Reservoir Canal are easements over land owned by the adjacent homeowners, which means legally speaking the individual homeowner needs to be in agreement before the canal company can authorize access. A majority of the R.O.W.’s on the Ogden-Brigham Canal and the Provo Reservoir Canal (Murdock Canal) are owned by the BOR and the Davis and Weber Counties Canal is owned by the canal company which means they do have the legal authority to provide recreation.
·
Whoever
petitions for that use has to get
a license agreement that is signed
by the [WUA] and the B.O.R. for that
use and basically a hold harmless
agreement and it states what can and
cannot be done but it is a formal
license agreement for a fifty year
period.
·
Yes. We
[BOR] have the authority to contract
with cities or whoever, to go to other
agencies and basically license them
to encroach on the federal property
to undertake whatever activity it
is they want to do.
·
We
are a private stockholder company.
So, we can make agreements with whoever
we want.
(See
Conclusion for additional information
on permission issues.)
21-
Conversely, would consent
from your canal company be legally
required if easements for recreational
trail use on your canals were acquired
from the underlying landowner by a
recreational entity or agency? This question is not applicable to Davis and Weber Counties Canal since it has no easements and is owned in 100% fee title. (see #15) With the exception of the small percentage of easement along the Provo Reservoir Canal, this question also does not apply to the BOR. According to the Chief of O and M for the B.O.R. the Provo Reservoir Canal is 95-98% fee title (see #15) and according to a “guess” by the Assistant Superintendent of Provo River Water Users Assoc. it is 70-80% fee title (see #17) with the rest being easement)
·
Absolutely,
it won’t go forward without
it.
It has to be written permission
not verbal.
·
In
those sections of our canal that are
easements…I would say it would
be because that has the potential
to impact our rights of easement in
terms of our ability to operate and
maintain the facility.
As far as the Crockett Canals, Logan Northern Canal and the North Ogden Irrigation Canal are concerned, these canals are strictly easements and because there is a lot of gray in terms of whether there consent is legally required, there is no defined answer to this question.
·
I
would think yes. But
that is something we asked them about
and there is no legal opinion.
We keep hearing that the attorney
general is going to come up with a
statement…. As
far as I know there is no answer yet.
A precedent setting case is
needed.
So, I would say yes because
by law they technically own the property
to the canal bank and so its not really
ours.
Our easement is for conveying
water and some cleaning, not for selling
or allowing someone else to trespass
for other purposes.
We have the right to trespass
for maintenance and cleaning but I
don’t think we can convey that
to anyone without getting some kind
of a legal opinion.
·
I
don’t know for sure. In
my opinion I don’t think it
would have to be but then I might
be wrong.
I think that it’s strictly
the landowner that would have to agree
to it.
(For a brief and superficial explanation of easement designations see this chapters conclusion entitled Legal Information.)
22-
Are there different answers
for different sections of the canal?
The
Davis and Weber Counties Canal is
the only canal that does not have
any easements, therefore it is the
only one in which their consent would
be legally required for the whole
length of the canal. (see #15)
North Ogden Irrigation, Crocket
Canals and Logan Northern are all
easement so the same answer given
in #21 applies to the whole length
of the canal. The
Ogden-Brigham Canal and the Provo
Reservoir Canal (Murdock Canal) are
mostly owned in fee title so there
would be discrepancy in answers for
the length of the canals.
This is best summed up by the
following response:
· Yes, it would just depend on the underlying ownership of the canal, whether it’s fee or easement. If its fee obviously it would be legally required, if it’s easement I still think it would be. We would have to consult our attorneys for sure but that’s my take.
23-
If easements for a recreation
trail were acquired from the underlying
landowners by a public entity such
as the respective city would Bureau
of Reclamation consent to this use
be legally binding? Since Crockett Canals, Logan Northern Canal and Davis and Weber Counties Canal are not owned by the B.O.R., this question is not applicable to them. (see #18) According to the pertinent respondents, if the B.O.R. gives consent to recreational use of their R.O.W. then yes, it would be legally binding.
·
Yes,
if they signed an agreement.
The B.O.R. is favorable to
doing trails on reclamation projects.
So, it would be legally binding.
·
I
don’t think that would probably
happen, [acquisition of Murdock Canal]
but I think it would be.
Potential Trail/ Recreational Development
24-
Do you foresee any obstacles
in developing a canal as a recreational
trail? (GENERALLY ALLOWED FOR VOLUNTEERING
OF ISSUES BEFORE PRESENTING LIST BELOW)
A. Liability Why? - Attractive nuisance - Liability should cover entire corridor not just path. B. Safety Why? C. Crime Why? -
Law enforcement: Time of response
-
Changing emergency procedures/
protocol - Protection of facilities
and appurtenant structures. Such as
flow measurement gauges and spillway
structures. D. Operation and Maintenance Why? - Increased O+M costs - Canal company rights:
it’s a work space, headgates
get daily attention during irrigation
season, need availability of frequent
daily access to headgates, ditchriders
use heavy equipment, need to access
both sides of canal, inspection of
canal daily. - Vegetation management for visual inspection. - People need to honor the ditchriders need to pass! (Have headphones on, dogs running loose, dogs in canal, horses get spooked, bicyclist not paying attention.) - O and M of dirt canal will not allow surfaced trails along side on canal bank.
E.
Funding Why? - Lack of resources (funding) to cope with the increased costs that may or may not be associated with trail development. F. Lack of Management entity Why? G. Other Please explain: - Public perception that the canal is public land. - All uses should be subordinate to agricultural use. - Private property owner’s rights: taking without compensation, multi-purpose easements.
The
following is a list of the main obstacles
mentioned in response to this question,
followed by the number of times they
were mentioned.
While the following list summarizes
some of the major concerns, it certainly
does not encompass them all.
Simply because the category
entitled crime has a lower numerical
value than O and M, this does not
mean it is more or less of a concern.
(See Appendix B for a detailed
description of each response.) Liability
6 times; O and M 3 times;
Funding 3 times; N.I.M.B.Y.
3 times; Water Quality
2 times; Lack of Management Agency
2 times; Vandalism 2 times;
Crime 2 times.
Liability and O and M are the two obstacles the respondents had the most difficulty with. Not only are these issues mentioned by all the respondents here but they are woven throughout the rest of the interview as well.
·
Yes
I do. The
three or four I mentioned in the beginning,
liability, operation and maintenance,
public safety, water quality are all
very sizable obstacles.
·
Major
concerns would be just liability concerns,
water quality concerns, operation
and maintenance concerns so that we
have the ability to maintain it.
The concerns that follow are numbered for ease of explanation: (1) There can be a high degree of danger regarding serious injury and death along some sections of the respondents canals. This is especially true along open, concrete lined canals where the water can be fairly swift (400 second feet), difficult to get out of, and where there are low structures, bridges, culverts and siphons (see #10). Due to this potential danger, it is understandable why the respondents are concerned about the safety of that one trail user who accidentally falls in and seriously injures themselves, or the one trail user who decides to file a lengthy and costly lawsuit because they fell in and cut their foot on glass thrown in the canal by other trail users. It is then also understandable as to why they demand assurance of some degree of indemnification from liability.
·
I
would think that if someone is going
to accept liability on development
of a trail it should be the whole
corridor, because the corridors really
aren’t that large. Our canals
are anywhere from 40 ft. to 100 ft.,
not very wide. We would probably
require that liability cover the whole
corridor.
·
No,
as long as we can get over the hurdle
of the liability, I don’t see
a problem.
·
There
are a lot of different issues.
Open canals….i think
the general understanding of the public
is that they don’t understand
canals and how dangerous they can
be.
I guess they can be educated
but I'm sure you are going to find
that one curious individual that doesn’t
believe that they are dangerous.
·
Yes. I
would say liability comes to mind
right away.
That is the first thing someone
asks, who’s responsible for
maintenance, someone getting hurt,
are we allowed to even let other people
on that trail.
Those are the biggest ones.
(2)
Generally speaking, canal companies
operate on very tight budgets and
are, in some cases, in dire financial
straits, so it is understandable when
they express a concern for increased
operation and maintenance costs derived
from opening the canal easement to
recreational uses.
In some cases where there is
not enough room for separation of
uses along the maintenance road the
officials are concerned with having
to share the road with recreationists
and the likelihood of conflict that
would arise.
·
We
know there would be an increase in
O and M…whoever we granted
the license to have the recreational
corridor to pick up the additional
cost.
But that is one of the reasons
we don’t allow recreational
uses. We
don’t really see a need right
now at this time to undergo that additional
expense to o and m a canal. And
we are taking a lot of strong pressure
from the share holders that treat
the water to keep the corridor usage
down as much as possible.
·
If
we had to up the ante to help maintain
the trail, then no.
We deal in a very low budget
in other words, we try to get by with
as low a cost as we can.
We don’t have a lot of
money to spend on a lot of things.
If we start raising the taxes
on the shareholders then they have
to ask what is going on here.
·
The
other problem you have with a canal
of this nature is that the o+ m road
itself is not very large.
The water master is almost
to the point where he refuses to use
the canal because the use is so high
and because the people have become
so belligerent to him they won’t
let him by to do his job that he will
actually turn the head gates by driving
on the canal as little as possible,
and that defeats our number one purpose
in that somebody’s got to have
their eyes on the canal to make sure
that its functioning properly, its
not developing any leaks or anything
of that nature, its not overtopping,
its performing well. So, it all leans
toward…granted its not the
thing you want to do, but you have
got to keep the people off.
(3) Crime and vandalism were big concerns for some of the respondents and were not so much of a concern for others given proper preventative measures such as regular bike patrols.
·
There
probably would be a need for some
visible law enforcement in the area,
a policeman riding a bike along there
at different intervals.
As far as protection of facilities
in our corridors everything is under
ground except pump stations and we
fence them off separately from the
corridors. I
don’t think vandalism would
increase in those areas.
·
In
terms of vandalism, if somebody was
going along and busting the locks
off the gates and opening and closing
the gates then we would have to have
something in the agreement with the
city that says that if this happens
either that has to be addressed or
we terminate the agreement.
(4) Another important concern brought out by the interviews was the issue of decreased water quality due to increased usage by recreationists and their animals. As the landscape continues to fragment and agriculture/ open space retreats further and further away from our cities, canals that once primarily conveyed water to agricultural fields are now slowly being converted to culinary usage. This means that, especially near open canals/ditches, water quality becomes a concern, just as it is along riparian corridors. As explained in Chapter II, “Improving Water Systems”, this conversion has become a common practice over time and therefore creates a concern for water quality in open canals near public recreation. (See this chapters conclusion for full explanation)
·
Part
of the issue you have with the canal
for recreational uses, a lot of people
want to ride horses down the canal.
When you are talking about
culinary water, any type of animal
feces is the biggest threat to culinary
water supply there is.
The goal for recreational purposes
has got to be to get rid of all the
animals. People
want to walk with their dogs, jog
with their dogs, ride their horses.
(5) One possible obstacle that was listed in the questionnaire was a lack of management entity. A lot of times, when a trail passes through multiple municipalities, there will be differences in quality of maintenance and design throughout the length of the trail. So, it makes sense for either one management entity to hold responsibility for the whole length of the trail or for the formation of a coalition which oversees the whole length of the trail.
·
One
of the concerns we have is once the
canal is developed, who is responsible
for maintaining that tral? We
are not in the trail business and
we don’t have the resources
to maintain that.
On the other hand we don’t
want it done in a piecemeal fashion,
we don’t want to have to deal
with Orem city for the section that
is in their city, Lindon city for
their section, Pleasant Grove and
so forth. And
there is several reasons for that. We
would like, number one, for a trail
that is developed to be well maintained
and well developed in a consistent
fashion so that you are a recreationists
jogging down the path and you go through
Lindon and it’s a nice park
and landscaped well and then you come
to Pleasant Grove and its just a dump.
That wouldn’t be good
for anybody, but we would bear the
brunt of that because the underlying
land is ours.
So we would just assume have
some consistency and turn the management
over to another entity and we are
not sure who that entity is.
So that’s an obstacle.
·
Another
concern is not knowing if its going
to be maintained like it should years
down the road.
The respondents who expressed an interest in trail development on their canals provided a couple obstacles they are aware of. One of the major initial obstacles is securing consensus among the landowners whose property the easements cross. A couple of the respondents eloquently touched on this issue. (See Chapter V for a review of adjacent landowner concerns)
·
The
problem of putting a trail along the
North Ogden Canal, which is basically
easements, is you would have to get
consensus from all the private landowners
to do it. A
lot of people think that its wonderful
that there is a walking trail, others
don’t like it they think its
invading their privacy.
So, there is mixed reaction. I’ve
found that as people think about it
more, we have been able to get more
agreement that it’s ok. But
there is always that small group that
thinks that crime will increase with
trails and reports I have read prove
that it actually does not.
·
And
the other thing is the Not-In-My-Back-Yard
(NIMBY) issue. You will find a lot
of people who think that it’s
a great idea and are really, really
supportive, but when we tell them
its going to be in their backyard
they say sorry we didn’t mean
that, not in my back yard and it amazes
me because a lot of those people are
educated.
They belong to environmental
organizations which makes them think
they are an environmental person,
but when you ask them to do something
in their own back yard about it they
are not willing to do that.
A lot of people say that we
bought along the canal because of
the privacy and the water and not
the lack of trails.
So they see it as a negative
and I think that is where we have
to educate.
If you want to live in a community,
and people are the community, I
think you have to give something back
to the community.
And if you want to be a recluse
and not want to have anything to do
with anybody then buy 500 acres up
on the bench and keep everybody out.
That’s part of living
in town…getting the amenities
of the town. Lack
of funding was also expressed as an
obstacle to trail development.
·
Funding
is also a major obstacle, everyone
is interested in trails but no one
seems to have money for trails.
That seems to be changing a
little bit as development occurs and
people are interested in preserving
open space and having an amenity like
a trail.
25-
If a trail were developed
along one of your canals what implementation
measures would you like to see? - (Risk management, set backs from maintenance road, fencing, restrictions on time of use, etc.) Two of the respondents touched on the subject of incorporating intensive education efforts which could be considered one of the most important implementation measures.
·
I
don’t know that we would be
looking at any restrictions.
We would probably need the
cities or whoever to go through an
intensive educational program so that
people would basically police themselves.
A little kinder understanding of the
red truck that drives up and down
the canal, what he is there for, basically
allowing him the right to get by and
do his job. I
guess just have a little more of an
ownership attitude in the fact that
it is culinary water for someone else…you
don’t have to go and let your
dog in the canal. Protect the facility,
understand what its about, what it
is for and use it accordingly.
·
All
those. Signage
and education. I
think we have to educate the public
that this isn’t a right, that
it’s a privilege, to have respect
for other people’s properties.
Who is going to be picking
up the garbage along there?
And maybe it should be set
up so that people don’t go through
there at midnight and get rowdy or
whatever.
So, set some times of use.
But again, I think that its
something where everybody needs to
be involved and it shouldn’t
fall to one entity or the other to
do it all.
Maybe we could have a community
patrol, sponsors along the canal that
spend some time checking on things.
Other responses range from restricting time of use to daylight hours to keeping the trail separate from the maintenance road where possible to keeping dogs off the trails to preserving the right to “close down the trail as we need to accomplish our maintenance tasks”.
·
I
think that if we allow a little more
use of it I think that people would
end up policing themselves.
You would have that one element,
that 2-5% element, it would be just
some place new for them to go and
destruct and destroy.
So, you put up with that.
I think you would want a trail
patrol strictly for public protection
because there are some areas of the
canal that are remote.
See #34 for additional comments pertaining to this question.
26-
Have you ever been contacted
by anyone concerning trail development
on any of your canals?
If so, who is it and where
do negotiations stand?
·
Ogden-Brigham Canal and North Ogden Irrigation
Canal- Ogden city has contacted us
and we have licensee agreements with
them.
North Ogden and Pleasentview
has contacted us and we have done
preliminary conceptual plans with
them. Right
now there hasn’t been much done
other than informal use, but they
are looking at sometime in the next
year, starting to formalize some of
those agreements.
·
Provo Reservoir Canal (Murdock)-
We have been contacted by
Lindon City and also by Mountainland
Association of Governments concerning
the Murdock Canal. We
had several meetings and discussions
where we presented our concerns and
they attempted to alleviate them unsuccessfully
and right now we stand with our policy
that until its piped it’s a
no go.
They said that they had conversations
with their risk management provider
and felt that they could relieve us
of liability.
But we are still uncomfortable
about it because I wonder about a
small cities ability to shield the
federal government.
Since they are a underlying
land owner with a very deep pocket
guess anybody could sue anybody.
·
Davis and Weber Counties Canal- Yes, Clearfield. We have a draft agreement and I’ts got to be brought to our board of directors for approval. Our board has not signed an agreement with the city. I’ve been visiting with the director of Clearfield parks and rec. and we have come up with some preliminary draft plans. We will bring it to the board and they will look at it and decide what else they want in there. I think we would like to see some of the public access as long as we can be held harmless for anything that might happen. We’re ok with that. · Crocket Canal Companies- The city and adjacent property owners and actually the irrigators as well have all contacted me. We are in limbo right now, we are waiting for an opinion that is supposedly coming and we haven’t gotten that yet and the city has made the first step to quantify where they are because they aren’t even mapped correctly on city maps. But that is all in the planning stages right now. They are trying to get their numbers together and we are trying to get our group together. I am starting to put out lists like this where people can contact other members and hopefully there will be some exchange of information. So, its all pending. The city has always been bad about including us and adjacent property owners in the process. · Logan Northern Canal- Hyde Park came to us when
they were really pushing it about
two years ago.
But when we had that meeting
that night that pretty well threw
it out.
Of the majority of the landowners
that were there, there was only one
that was in favor out of over a hundred
people.
So, it was shot down.
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Are you aware of any other
trails built next to irrigation canals
in Utah? Of
the six respondents only three knew
of other projects.
The Steinaker Service Canal
in Vernal came up a couple times.
·
Just
the Steinaker Service Canal but they
didn’t build anything. People
just use the existing canal.
·
I
know there is a canal out in Vernal
area, there is a trail alongside of
it. The Utah Lake distributing
Canal. I noticed
has a trail that is fairly new alongside
of it for a ways.
That’s just off of Camp
Williams and runs north and south.
·
I
know along the Jordan River.
I know in Vernal along the
Ashley Creek system. They did do some
down by the Jordanelle dam outside
of Midway, but that was Bureau of
Reclamation Federal funds and Federal
project.
It’s not a local effort…they
involved the canal companies but it
was a Federal project.
28-
What forms of recreational
use permission are you aware of? -
Donation of easements, sale
of recreational use easement, sales
of fee title to the land under the
canal easement?
The majority of the respondents
had no in depth knowledge of these
types or any types of recreational
use permission.
·
I
don’t know of any fee title
or anything like that, it usually
just permission is granted like a
donation.
As far donation of easement
we just grant a right of use.
We allowed Ogden City to put
a parking lot for their Mt. Ogden
trail system on our canal.
And we dealt with some grading,
etc.
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Given that there is no easy
way to keep the public off the canals,
how do you feel about the idea that
opening the canal for recreational
use might actually help manage existing
uses, as opposed to complete closure,
which could be expensive, difficult
to enforce and difficult to defend
regarding public relations?
This is an argument that is used time and time again by proponents of developing trails along canals. So, it is interesting to get insight into how these officials really felt about the reasoning behind weighing the positives and negatives of opening their canals to the public. The responses ranged from skepticism to agreement. At first some of the respondents misunderstood the question as a proposal to open up the canal themselves without the help of an agency or city, so, these people initially responded with trepidation and fear of opening themselves up to liability and claiming that there “needs to be some control”.
·
That’s
why right now we have kind of taken
the middle of the road…we also
understand that the iron fist isn’t
going to work either.
So, we feel the best option
right now is to play it where we are
at. We don’t allow it, we don’t
want it and we don’t condone
it but we realize its going to occur. We
will exert some energy as far as education
as best we can.
We will pursue law enforcement
if necessary but we also kind of see
the turn the other cheek, you know
what you don’t see you don’t
worry about. Once the question was further defined there was still some skepticism on the part of a couple of the respondents. The point was made that once the canal is opened to the public there is no question that things will change overnight from illegal trespassing to law abiding, conscientious use.
·
One
of the city’s points when they
came to us with the proposal to open
the canal for recreation was that
it would actually be a benefit to
us to have more eyes and ears on the
canal to report problems to us and
to keep the canal right-of-way clean
of litter, etc. etc.
I guess we really struggled
with that because if we were to buy
that we would have to expect that
the same people who are willfully
and knowingly disobeying the law now
by trespassing would overnight change
into people who are law abiding, consciences,
anxious to assist us, type of people. I guess it was
just too hard for us to swallow. But
the argument was made and we do struggle
a lot with whether or not we incur
greater problems to an extent by keeping
the canal closed.
It was pointed out by one of the respondents that once their canal is piped they will be strongly encouraging opening it to the public. The reasoning behind this is that what is left after piping and covering is a wide (sometimes up to 100 ft. or more) corridor that will be very costly to maintain and with the major liability issue solved, it would make for a symbiotic relationship between the city and the canal company to open it up for recreational use.
·
I
very much think that opening the canal
will help manage some of the uses. If left undeveloped
there is going to be a lot of maintenance
on that [piped canal] for noxious
weeds, dust control, the looters,
you are going to still get that one
element that is going to try to ride
a motto-cross bike up and down there.
Our plan is to encourage the
cities to develop the corridor so
that it doesn’t get into the
wrong element.
There were a couple of respondents who agreed with the reasoning behind this question and felt that it would actually be a better situation than it is now once opened for recreational use. The point was made also that by closing off the canals, a “forbidden fruit” situation develops which actually attracts more crime than not.
·
By
increasing the awareness and increasing
usage I think people will help manage
it better. We
may get a paved trail so it won’t
be dirt.
We may get better shrubs, better
stability on the banks.
More people watching so incase
there is a problem, and I have seen
that now where I have eyes and ears
out where we can’t watch the
whole canal all the time. So,
I think it will work. It becomes your
own back yard and you take care of
it.
·
If
someone was managing it there and
it was open for use and managed properly
it would be better than the way it
is now.
I'm my opinion it wouldn’t
be any worse if it was managed properly. And my feeling
is that it would be of tremendous
amount of value for a lot of people
that like to hike, walk, etc.
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What is your position regarding
controlling use through Cooperative
Recreational Use Agreements with public
entities in order to get help managing
the recreational use without interfering
with the water works? The overall position that each of the respondents took was positive and open to listening to what the “public entities” have to say just as long as their interests and concerns are addressed.
·
We
want to be good neighbors with the
cities and say yes the canal is running
right through the middle of your town
and lets make use of it, and yet the
city has to look at our point of view…
and say yes we can see where you would
be concerned about the liability.
So, I think that as long as
they are concerned about our concerns
there then we as a company are willing
to do whatever we can to be good neighbors
with the city and hopefully work something
out with them.
That may turn out to be a real
asset.
·
From
Reclamation’s perspective, we
encourage recreational use of a lot
of our facilities. That’s something
that we do.
I think it would benefit reclamation,
it would benefit the water users,
it would benefit everybody to have
this government property as another
form of recreational use but its got
to be done the right way.
You want to make it a win-win
for everyone not a win-loose-loose,
you don’t get anywhere.
People might get the recreation
but we are going to loose along with
the water users. In
the end the cities are going to use. Its
just got to be done right.
Canal Operation And Maintenance
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From what month to what month
does the operation season last? When are the canals generally
filled and drained?
What typical O+M tasks are
performed during this period? - Type
of equipment used? -Grade all. Skid
Loaders, Track Ho (Hydro Unit), Road
Graders, and Draglines.
Except for Crockett Canal Companies and Logan Northern Canal, which begin their water season on the first of May and end on the first of October, the others put water in on April 15 and take it out on October 15. Operation and Maintenance tasks are performed year round and depending upon whether the canal is drained every year (generally, concrete lined canals are drained) or perennial (generally, ditches) there are different levels of maintenance. The seasons are broken up into the irrigation or operation season and the off-season. Most
of the heavy maintenance is done in
the off-season when the canal is drained
and it’s easy to get in the
canal and repair cracks, clean out
and trim trees and other vegetation
near the canal and spraying of weeds. In the fall, when
the water is turned off, the siphons
are cleaned out, this takes up to
six weeks of work to accomplish. One
respondent claimed that most of the
work is concentrated in two successive
weekends in the spring before filling
the canal.
The type of equipment that
is used consists mainly of back-hoes
with front loaders, compressors, pick
up trucks, dump trucks, track-hoes,
and draglines
·
Off
season there is definitely a lot of
heavy equipment on the canal because
that is when we can get down inside
the canal prism with grading, cleaning,
burning weeds and all the major things. During the irrigation/operation season maintenance is concentrated along the road and where possible in and around the canal. During this season, the water master and ditch riders will perform routine daily inspections and generally look for any problems along the canal. Maybe somebody left a gate open, or broke a fence down or a leak in the canal has to be fixed. They will check grates, pull and clean debris out of trash racks (large “strainers”), cut trees and shrubs along the maintenance road, check head gates once or twice a day, pick up trash, make sure gauges and measuring devices are unobstructed (have no leaks) and change gates for different second-feet-per-second changes. While the maintenance in the irrigation season is minimal compared to the off-season, occasionally there is a need to take heavy equipment up to haul clay, etc.. The equipment used during this season consists of tractors with mowers, large half ton and small four wheel drive pick-up trucks, rotary mowers, etc. Usually, there are areas that are known to have problems, such as areas where people are known to throw trash, where special attention is given.· [Canal riders] are in a half ton four-by-four pick up truck. They regulate the turnouts of the water from the canals into reservoirs in the pump stations, they check all the reservoirs along the way, they monitor all the pump stations. On the Ogden Brigham Canal we have four pump stations along the canal, there are seven or eight reservoirs. They check the trash racks, keep them clean, where there is open canal we have a trash rack. They keep them clean. They check the pump house and make sure they are working properly and lubricate the pumps on a regular basis.
In
the case of the Murdock Canal which
is owned by the Bureau of Reclamation,
the operating company (usually the
water users association) will perform
the general routine maintenance and
the B.O.R. will perform “general
operation oversight” which means
their staff engineers will go down
the canal about three to four times
a year to make sure their maintenance
activities are going smoothly and
focus on the issues the Water Users
have directed them to. They will go
in on a yearly, three year or six
year basis with varying intensities.
The type of equipment they
use ranges from maintenance trailers,
ATV’s, and ORV’s to half-ton
trucks.
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Do your ditch riders perform
O+M checks on a daily basis during
operation seasons and if so at what
times of the day? - How many ditchriders do you have?
The
majority of the respondents have water
masters (a.k.a. ditchriders) that go
up and down their canals daily at
varying times during irrigation season.
There are also maintenance
crews that will be spending time on
the canal, but at less consistent
intervals.
There was only one respondent
who mentioned having a ditchrider
on call 24 hours a day throughout
the operating season.
While the ditchrider doesn’t
ride the canal daily he does check
various sections weekly.
The number of ditchriders depends
on the length of the canal and the
number of shifts each day.
So, they can range from one
to four or five for each canal.
Even though each canal company
has different shifts and times of
day the ditchriders are on the canal,
there is no doubt that during the
operating season (approx. April thru
October) there will be ditchriders
along the canal daily at some time
between 6:30 A.M to 10 P.M.
The daily shifts generally
range from one to three and there
are about one to three runs per shift.
The ditchriders are also on
twenty four hour call above and beyond
the shift hours during each day.
Since each canal has differing
and unique operating systems, it would
be important for the city or agency
to coordinate the times of maintenance
with their respective canal company
and take the necessary steps to minimize
conflict as much as possible.
·
We
have three full time ditch riders
that take turns on their shift on
the Ogden Brigham Canal in Weber Co.
and then we have one canal rider that
operates the canal from the end of
Pleasantview to Brigham City and he
works six days a week on a shorter
hour day and has one day off a week
when another canal rider runs his
canal for him during the irrigation
season.
33-
What typical complaints do
they have concerning ease of O+M?
- What uses have they reported conflicts with during routine maintenance? The complaint that surfaced through all of the respondent’s answers had to do with the impact on operations due to the, now, illegal recreational use of the canal maintenance roads. Complaints included kids riding motorcycles, too many people walking/riding bikes and refusing to get out of the way of the ditch rider, people becoming “belligerent”and verbally abusing the ditch riders because they believe they have a “right” to use the property for one reason or another or because the ditch rider has kicked up some dust, to people driving vehicles on the maintenance road, and vandalizing of the structures. One of the respondents mentioned that in some cases these uses get so out of hand that operation and maintenance becomes impossible. The ditch riders will refuse to check certain sections because of the high use and the difficulty of getting through.
·
Our
water master operations are greatly
impacted by the illegal use we already
have. There
are certain times of the day when
he simply refuses to go on certain
stretches because of the number of
joggers and walkers.
Its just impossible to get
anywhere, you are constantly waiting
for people to get out of your way
or sometimes they don’t get
out of your way or they complain about
the dust. So
he just does his best to avoid those
parts of the canal during those times
of the day. This is frustrating
to us because its our facility and
we have a responsibility to maintain
it.
Then in the off season it’s
a different concern, a public safety,
can we move the equipment up and down
the canal without risk or concern
of hurting someone.
Anytime anyone is on the canal
our concern is the canal, our focus
is on the canal, we are paying attention
to the canal.
We are not always thinking
necessarily is there going to be a
jogger around the next bend because
that’s not what we are there
for. Another problem mentioned is dumping of garbage which consists of tree limbs, grass cuttings, trimmings and other miscellaneous objects along the canals which obstructs the ditchriders from getting through. Legally this use of the canal corridor as a dumping ground is a punishable offence, but for the most part the officials had an interest in education rather than constantly putting Band-Aids on the problems and never really solving them. In some cases, the response of the canal company is to fence off the property.
·
If
a tree falls across the ditch from
their property, technically it is
their problem, but we have always
gone out and helped them out.
I'm trying to get everyone
to cooperate, the adjacent property
owner, the canal company and Logan
city and between the three of us we
should be able to resolve most of
these problems.
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Briefly discuss the operation
and maintenance tasks you feel would
most likely be interfered with due
to increased recreation. Aside from the existing complaints mentioned above which could easily be seen as, and for the most part is, a preview of what is to come for each of these officials, there were other concerns such as obstruction of maintenance activities including mowing along the canal or vandalism of headgates, obstructed access to canal and people throwing debris in the canal which could need to be cleaned out.
·
But
with increased use we do have malicious
vandalism.
That’s the one thing
I am worried about that because there
is more use people would go in there
and mess with it more and there would
be increased costs. What
they could do to the head gate is
they are cast metal, they could break
them, bend the stem, they could obstruct
them.
During use a lot of times they
are not locked, so people mess with
them pulling them up and down. One
time the city disconnected the pump
down in the park for a while to do
some routine maintenance and kids
threw debris down the pump and lodged
it so that the canal company had to
go in and re-bore it out.
For the most part, the responses to this question seemed to be more focused on the less obvious impacts. These concerns had to do with such things as the type of landscaping and materials (gravel, asphalt) used for the walkway/pathway and whether these would solve some of the conflicts such as dust clouds from the ditchriders trucks or compound the concerns, such as a tree that obstructs their vehicles because it was planted to close to the road. There was also a concern for the increased sediment loads from increased runoff. A
majority of the respondents offered
suggestions for implementation measures
that would help solve some of the
problems.
One respondent suggested coordinating
with the city to work out times for
basic maintenance, such as mowing,
where the trail would be closed. It
was suggested to close the trail one
day a month for this activity.
It was also suggested by the
same respondent to close the trail
at dusk throughout the year to cut
down on crime.
Another respondent suggested
putting in drainage fences to cut
down on the sediment loads in the
canal.
Four
of the respondents made it clear that
given proper planning and coordination
with the city, the possibilities for
interference would be minimal if at
all.
·
I
really don’t think that in the
areas where we would allow recreation
use, I don’t see that it would
really conflict with our operation
maintenance at all.
·
In
terms of people being on the trail
though theres no problem because they
can move in a hurry.
35-
Do you feel a developed trail
would increase, decrease, or have
no effect on your ability to maintain
the canal? Why? Four out of the six respondents claimed that it would have no effect on their ability to maintain the canal.
·
I
think if it was done right I don’t
think it would interfere much in my
opinion. I just think the
benefits for the recreational use
along there would be terrific for
the recreationists if it was done
right. One
respondent thought it would decrease
their ability to maintain the canal
due to the existing problems and conflicts
that occur which he thought would
only increase proportionately as you
allow more and more people on. One
respondent thought the effects on
their ability to maintain the canal
would be positive because they would
have “better access, more people
watching which would offset some of
the problems.
·
I
think the more people watching and
helping would offset the increased
traffic and garbage problems. I
do know that dog manure has been a
big point of contention, and I physically
had farmers tell me they are just
tired of it and I don’t blame
them because there is dog manure everywhere.
General Concerns
36-
Do you feel there are any
resolvable solutions to any of your
concerns? Explain. The unanimous response was yes, there are solutions to the concerns mentioned. While no one offered lengthy descriptions of specific solutions to their concerns they generally were optimistic about the possibility to resolve their concerns. A couple respondents claimed that the only way to resolve their concerns was to pipe the canal. All respondents repeated claims heard throughout this interview that as long as the problems of liability, O and M interference, water quality, public safety, etc. were all addressed and taken care of, they are in favor of recreational trails.
·
I’m
of the opinion that trails along canals
and corridors that are used as water
conveyance are a good thing, because
they generally benefit the public
at large. I am certainly in favor
of it.
I have talked with my boards
about it and they seem to be pretty
much in favor of it as long as liability
problems are addressed and taken care
of.
One respondent offered brief solutions to his concerns:
·
Yes
I think we went through that.
Better information and better
maps and a willingness of parties
to sit down.
And rather than asking who
is liable, we admit partial responsibility
with everyone else and lets work at
it together.
37-
Could you summarize what it
is you feel are the most important
issues involving public recreational
use of your canal R.O.W.? Liability and impacts to O and M were the two most important issues mentioned in four out of the six responses. Water quality, public safety and limiting access to walkers, joggers and bicyclists were other concerns that were mentioned by the respondents · There is also a public safety concern. The public doesn’t always know what a dangerous spot they can get themselves into and only now and then do they really get bit and really find out. Because usually when they do it costs a life. One
of the respondents mentioned the need,
as a first step, to have all the players
sit down, collaborate and “admit”
responsibility for the issues, and,
to continue this round table discussion
on a regular basis.
One of the respondents answered
this question by getting to the heart
of an issue that should be drilled
into each and every user who decides
to take advantage of a canal corridor
for recreational purposes, legally
or illegally:
·
The
number one thing that we need to keep
in mind is that there are a lot of
farmers/stockholders that rely tremendously
on this water for their livelihood
to water and irrigate their fields
with.
So that is number one, that
comes first.
The recreational part of it
is secondary but still I just feel
it would be a good thing in my opinion.
38-
Can your concerns be addressed
with creative and proper design, construction
and management of the trail. One respondent’s response was that they can’t, given their physical facilities and constraints and therefore the situation has not “created a win-win for everyone.” The other five respondents thought that their concerns can be addressed. This is apparent already from earlier responses. One of these five gave an ultimatum that the concerns can be addressed only if the canal is piped, in which case “steps [could be] taken to partially mitigate”.
·
I
think our feeling is they couldn’t
go far enough to totally mitigate
to the point where we would feel comfortable
allowing them short of piping the
canal. [The] city proposed
several things they thought they could
do to help address some of our concerns,
we just didn’t think it could
help us get to where we wanted to
be.
They did try to address the
risk management issues.
They said they would lend some
of their public works crews at various
times during the year to assist in
grading.
They would undertake a public
education campaign to educate people
on proper canal behavior if you will,
don’t litter, don’t take
your dogs on, don’t get in the
canal, I think those were the major
things talked about.
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Do you have any final thoughts,
feelings, or general concerns regarding
recreational use of canals? There
was a range of answers for this question
which can be summarized by breaking
them into responses that are favorable
towards recreational development of
canals and ones that express concerns.
Two of the respondents simply pointed
out that most of their concerns were
expressed earlier in the interview.
One of the respondents shared
that his company had hired a consultant
to do renderings of
a portion of their canal after
being piped.
The renderings showed what
it may look like with and without
developed recreation trails. The
interesting idea shown was to take
some of the water which is saved from
the piped canal underground and pipe
it into a shallow brook built above
the canal, creating a water feature
along the trail which would be safer,
and less liability laden. Once their
canal is piped, the same respondent
also shared a vision for a two to
three acre “offline park”
in areas where the R.O.W. is widest.
This would include picnic facilities,
etc. and “would really be a
nice amenity to have next to a recreational
trail, and quite an opportunity”.
Another respondent mentioned
a canal design he knows of which was
done well and is well used:
·
I
think it’s a good idea.
I’d like to see open
water. I
think it adds to the life of our communities.
At the Applied Tech Center
in town here there is an irrigation
canal that runs through there, and
one of the local landscape architects
did a design through there and it’s
a wonderful treatment of the canal
that people can use very safely. I
think it can be done. I
think it ought to be done.
There
were some concerns that were summarized
by the respondents.
One concern had to do with
the way in which a signed agreement
would be carried out by the city or
agency responsible for the recreational
trail development. The
respondent expressed some concern
that some of the key issues in the
agreement may not be carried out as
agreed upon, will be forgotten as
time goes on and may not even be honest
on the part of the city.
Another respondent expressed
the need for a “comprehensive
watershed planning unit” in
which all parties involved in the
whole watershed unite their efforts
to improve the systems and take the
blinders off that cut off their vision
at the political lines where their
responsibilities end and another’s
begin.
·
We
are all in this together.
The property owner benefits
by having it right through their property
because they own right up to the canal,
the municipality because they put
their storm drain water in there and
the canal company because they distribute
water in there. So,
rather than spending money on lawyers
to fight each other we could spend
that same amount of money to make
improvements in infrastructure to
handle that. Another
issue that was brought up had to do
with the cost in time and money in
concentrating on trying to turn some
canals, which are full of hurdles
such as property acquisition, into
recreational amenities.
The argument expressed had
to do with leaving them alone and
“go to where you are developing
rapidly right now and put in place”
the programs that you are trying to
put in place in these difficult areas
“and just make it part of your
development cost”.
The point being that it is
best to know when to fold the hand
you have and concentrate your efforts
on canals that have the most potential
for development.
·
I'm
all for it (a trail) they have always
talked about connecting the parks
so that people could bike and walk
along it all the way back (to the
mountains) and there is a trail to
the high school.
But the problem is there is
no right-of-way there for the rest
of the way and all these people say
not in my backyard.
And physically we have been
encroached upon so much that I don’t
think we have any spare right-of-way
to use.
So that makes it real tough.
Conclusion Question #20 which involves permission for recreational use issues, should be expounded upon: In the case of a canal company owning an easement that crosses private property, the canal company is generally said to be the dominant estate owner and the private landowner is designated the servient estate owner. The canal company would have an easement designation that is either exclusive or non-exclusive. An exclusive easement means the canal company has all rights to the easement. A non-exclusive easement which is when “both holder of easement (canal company) and owner of land burdened by easement (adjacent landowner) have rights to use property” Lazy Dog Ranch v. Telluray Ranch Corp., 965 P.2d at 1229, (Colo. 1998). According to the ruling of this case, “Easement, regardless of manner of its creation, does not carry any title to land over which it is exercised, nor does it serve to dispossess landowner.” It goes on to say that this rule “is altered somewhat in case of easement that is clearly and expressly designated as exclusive, or for the sole enjoyment of easement holder. In a non-exclusive easement, the “owner of servient estate enjoys all right and benefits of proprietorship consistent with burden of easement, while rights of owner of dominant estate are limited to those connected with use of easement.” So, where easements are involved, the consent of both the servient estate owner and the dominant estate owner is necessary for the right to provide recreational trail use. Greg Hoskin, a Grand Junction Attorney representing four canal companies which are being petitioned for trail development, stated that “The city of Grand Junction right now is doing a study with four irrigation companies regarding demand for use but to my knowledge…most canal companies have a dominant easement on the right to use the property. Underlying uses by other landowners can grant additional uses as long as they don’t interfere” (Greg Hoskin, personal communication). This coincides with the case Lazy Dog Ranch v. Telluray Ranch Corp., 965 P.2d at 122, which holds that “Unless intentions of parties are determined to require a different result, owner of servient estate may make any use of burdened property that does not unreasonably interfere with enjoyment of easement by its owner for its intended purpose.” Underlying landowners can give valid permission to use the canal banks without the permission of the canal company or Water Users Association, only if such use (recreational trails) does not “unreasonably interfere” with the use of the easement. Therefore, it could be concluded that permission would be required since most canal companies and WUA’s are likely to take the position that the use of canal banks for recreational purposes will result in unreasonable interference with their operation of the canal and irrigation systems. In addition, Utah has a statute that specifically calls for “written permission” from the “owner or owners” of a R.O.W. of “any established type or title” for any canal. This could, of course include easement holders. Here again there could be a conflict that can exist in determining what the term “otherwise” entails and whether a recreational trail that shares the maintenance road or uses a separate path is legally considered an “obstruction”. According to a Utah Statute, U.C.A. 1953, 73-1-15: “Whenever
any person, partnership, company or
corporation has a right of way of
any
established type or title
for any canal or other watercourse
it shall be unlawful for any person,
persons, or governmental agencies
to place or maintain in place any
obstruction, or change of the water
flow by fence or otherwise, along
or across or in such canal or watercourse,
except, as where said watercourse
inflicts damage to private property,
without first receiving written
permission for the change
and providing gates sufficient for
the passage of the owner or owners
of such canal or watercourse…
Any person , partnership, company
or corporation violating the provision
of this section is guilty of a misdemeanor
and is subject to damages and costs.”
The issue of water quality brought up in question #24 should be further explained. According to Jonathan Clegg, assistant superintendent of Provo River Water Users Association, conversion of canal water into domestic water is a common practice. For example, according to Mr. Clegg, capacity rights in the Provo Reservoir Canal were historically held by metropolitan water districts, but were often assigned to irrigation companies for agricultural purposes. As development encroached onto farmland these water rights have slowly been transferred to domestic or secondary purposes. (Jonathan Clegg, personal communication) The
degree to which there is a concern
for water quality in open canals used
for recreation purposes was not shared
by all the respondents.
According to Clegg,
water quality in open canals
which are used for recreation was
a concern because “water treatment
plant operators are under increasing
regulations by EPA to improve the
quality of their source water.
Cleaner source waters are easier
and less expensive to treat, the generation
of disaffection by-products is decreased
and the risk of waterborne disease
outbreak is decreased.”
However, Terel Grimley, President
of Utah Water Users Association, pointed
out that “Most water sources,
other than wells, have a recreational
use prior to being diverted for treatment
for domestic use” (personal
communication). This would indicate
that while water quality is a concern,
the degree to which it is a concern
varies depending on who you are talking
with.
Although, water quality is
always of some concern along recreation
corridors, especially in regards to
dog and equine feces. The
general feeling expressed by canal
managers throughout the interviews,
regarding opening their corridors
to the public and the resulting potential
benefits to the overall community,
was optimistic.
As long as their particular
interests are considered and their
day to day activities are unencumbered,
there were no serious objections to
trail development. The
need for a “win-win” solution
came up many times throughout the
interviews, which shows that each
of the interviewees are, for the most
part, amenable to working with the
respective communities.
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